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for the Garmin nüvi (nuvi) GPS (and others)

Lots Of Things You Didn't Know

[many ideas may also apply to various nüvi 200, 300, 500, 600, 700,
800, 2X5, 7X5, 8X5, 1200, 1300, 1400, 2200, 2300, 2400, 3700 series units,
the nüvi 1690, nüLink! 1695 & nüvi 5000
and possibly
other Garmin road GPSs.
A nüvi 650 was originally used for initial testing.
As of 12/12/08 a nüvi 755T is also being used for testing.
As of 01/27/11 a nüvi 3790LMT will be used for major testing
A smaller separate section for 7X5/8X5 devices has been established.
Other articles may be updated, where necessary, to include 7X5/8X5 instructions.]

-- a continuing helpful instructional and comment Blog --
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- Shining A 'Clint' Of Light On The Subject

WARNING! This is a sort of 'Back To School' article. If that is not your cup of tea or if school still scares you, then just walk away with just this one thought:

When exceeding the set speed alert for a Custom POI waypoint, the alert sounds at the SAME distance in advance of the waypoint for ALL excess speeds over the set limit.

Your nüvi allows you to establish Custom POI waypoints that will react to your vehicle approaching at speeds above certain settings for that waypoint by sounding an alarm. I have written about this several times in this series and guided you in writing and incorporating such 'speed' alarms into your nüvi.

Many,including me, have
falsely believed that the alarm would sound at various distances before a particular waypoint based upon the speed that the vehicle was approaching the triggering point.

Most diligent users, who followed and obeyed road signage, rarely heard such alerts and, if we did, our speed adjustment were minor and we didn't pay attention to exactly where the alert sounded -- only that it did, so that we could slow down a little - to be lawful and safe. Those who regularly speed through their 'Custom Speed Alerts' never admitted to nor wrote about or questioned where the alert sounded. I think they were busy looking in their rear view mirrors.

Garmin had provided on one of its
POI information web pages - a simple formula ...

Prompt Distance = 36 seconds * Speed

... without too much extra explanation.

Many assumed that the 'Speed' in the above formula referred to the approaching speed of the vehicle to the waypoint and that the alert would sound 36 seconds, traveling at that speed, prior to reaching the waypoint -- and that would be the Prompt Distance. That assumption turns out to be

But something didn't seem right to reader
Clinton H VanBlaricum (SD) [aka: Evert] who believed (and rightly so) that 'Speed', in the above formula, referred to the 'Speed Setting' of the Custom POI and had nothing to do with the speed of the approaching vehicle when establishing a prompt distance.

A controlled real life testing procedure was established, then undertaken by Clint to prove his hypothesis. His findings were also replicated by
Ron Biderman (NJ) and the editor (MD).

You can read Clint's report of his experiment
HERE [opens a .doc]. It's short enough and you will profit by it. Many thanks to Clint for seeing the correct meaning of the formula and proving it in a real road test. Thanks also to Ron for his back-up.


Now since 'Speed' refers to the Custom POI speed setting let's work with it a little. [
The same procedure can be employed if using the metric system with your nüvi.]

Prompt Distance = 36 seconds * Speed

Let us say that the speed setting we are using is 20 mph.

then Prompt Distance = 36 seconds * 20 miles/hr

To let the speed be reflected in
miles per second instead of the common miles per hour we would have to adjust hours to minutes, then minutes to seconds. This is accomplished by multiplying hours by 60 to created minutes and multiplying the minutes by 60 to create seconds. 60 times 60 = 3600. So if we multiply the (1) hour by 3600 we will be reflecting that hour in seconds.

Prompt Distance = 36 seconds * 20 miles / 3600 seconds

this reduces to

Prompt Distance = 36 seconds * 20 miles / 3600 seconds

Prompt Distance = 1 * 20 miles / 100

Prompt Distance = 20 miles / 100 or .2 miles (1056 ft)

So, with the Custom POI speed setting of 20mph an alert will be triggered .2 miles or 1056 ft. prior to the waypoint if the vehicle is exceeding 20mph. Notice that the result has to do with distance, not time.

See chart below for similar relationships for both mph and kph (km/h)

For a waypoint speed setting of "
X" the alert will trigger at "Y" prior to the waypoint, provided the vehicle is exceeding the speed setting. So, for example, if you are approaching a waypoint that has a speed setting of 20mph, an alert will sound at the very same spot (1056 ft.) in advance of the waypoint, no matter if you are driving at 30 mph or 60 mph.





20 .2 miles or 1056 ft.
30 .3 miles or 1584 ft.
40 .4 miles or 2112 ft.
50 .5 miles or 2670 ft.
60 .6 miles or 3168 ft.
etc etc

(KPH - Km/h)




20 .2 K or 200 meters
30 .3 K or 300 meters
40 .4 K or 400 meters
50 .5 K or 500 meters
60 .6 K or 600 meters
70 .7 K or 700 meters
80 .8 K or 800 meters
90 .9 K or 900 meters
etc etc

Repeated: the speed at which you are traveling, as long as you are exceeding the Custom POI alert speed setting, has no effect upon where the alert can sound. The prompt distance is solely dependent upon the speed number processed in the file.

But the faster you are approaching the speed alert point the less time you will have to react and slow down when compared to your approach at a slower speed.

The triggering of the alarm is solely dependent upon once being in the prompt distance environment, whether your speed is above or below the set speed setting.


-- Do I Have Enough Time To Slow Down After My Speed Alert Sounds

This is just two people voicing comments (musing) on the subject of the speed alert. No experimentation needed on your part.

In the above article we found that the number "36" used in Garmin's algorithm for their speed alert notice on your nüvi had nothing to do with giving one 36 seconds of reaction time to slow your vehicle to a set speed, but was tied to setting a particular distance in advance of the speed alert waypoint. The "36" was a 'constant' in the formula and could have been
ANY number.

It is believed that it was chosen so that the formula was 'neat' and produced 'clean' distances such as .3 miles and .5 km. [
See chart in above article]

But, since it is a constant and is really unseen by the user while the mathematics is churned by the GPSr -- is it a 'good' constant to provide the appropriate amount of time for a proper slowing of speed in advance of the speed zone area?
It turns out that it really is.

Clinton VanBlaricum [see previous article], writing some 'Afterwords' in a later e-mail to me discusses this 'amount of time.'

36 seconds Eh! How much time do I really have?

36 seconds would be the amount of time it would take to drive the alert distance calculated by POI Loader based on the alert “speed information” given by a POI name in a .csv file, the name of the file, or specified in the manual mode provided the actual driving speed is equal to the alert speed.

Apparently Garmin assumed that would be a reasonable amount of time to react and slow down to the speed limit before a driver reached the alert POI location.

The time one would have to react and slow down to the alert speed by the time they reach the alert POI can be estimated by the formula: actual time = (alert speed setting) divided by (driving speed at the time the alert sounds) times 36 seconds.

[Ed: If your driving speed was just the thinnest hair above the alert speed setting -- causing the alert to sound, then that portion of the above equation would reduce to ~'1' and the driving time to reach the actual alert waypoint would be about 36 seconds. On the other hand, if your driving speed was twice the alert speed setting then that portion of the equation changes to '1/2' and the driving time to reach the actual alert waypoint would be reduced to 18 seconds.]

(Note that since most drivers will be decelerating down to the zone speed after hearing the alert, the actual time taken to reach the zone will be a little longer than calculated by the above equation.)

So someone driving at 80 mph while approaching a 20 mph speed alert POI would have 20/80*36 = 9 seconds.


“What is reasonable about that short amount of time to react and decelerate to 20 mph from 80 mph?” you may ask.

To answer that question, consider the following question:

“How likely is it for a responsible driver to ever be driving at 80 mph while approaching a 20 mph speed zone?”

For example, while driving on a two lane highway, one does not encounter situations where the speed limit would go from 65 to 20 mph (for which Garmin units would give an 11 second notice [20/65*36=~11]). A typical stepping down of speed limits using good road signage would be from 65 to 50, then to 45, then to 35, and finally to 20 if one was passing through a downtown area or school zone.

At those steps one would have alert times of 50/65*36 = 28sec, 45/50*36 = 32 sec, 35/45*36 = 28 sec, and 20/35*36 = 21 sec. Those times should be plenty for the diligent driver to react to the signage and slow down to the speed limit before reaching the speed zone.

For school zones, the situation would usually be going from 35 to 15 mph for which a Garmin would give a ~15 second notice [15/35*36=~15], which should be plenty of time to slow down before entering the school zone. [
School zone speeds can vary.]

Anyone that is approaching speed zones at a speed such that Garmin units would not give them sufficient time to slow down doesn't need a Garmin, they need a jail cell.



Your Editor Writing Now] I believe that most users of Custom POIs for speed alerts seem to be more concerned with fixed and known mobile speed camera and speed trap locations. These types of identifiable waypoints are usually 'one point' locations that are easily reflected, and are, in various POI collections.

I haven't seen many POI collections for schools on the Internet. But schools present a different problem. They are
NOT one point locations. Their speed control areas extend along the road before and after the actual school, a distance with which you have to be concerned. So if you used the school building itself as the actual waypoint you may have already driven into the school's/city's speed control area for that school before your nüvi's alert even thinks of sounding -- and you would be breaking traffic laws and endangering children.

It would be better for you to place the waypoint,
not at the school, but at where the school's road signage begins on the road -- at both ends. Even then, this would not include side roads by the school with intersecting paths -- unless you are using the 'TourGuide' alert procedure.

Fortunately for drivers and for safety's sake, schools are not usually located on high speed roads; usually adequate road signage exists (my fingers are crossed here); extra assistance such as flashing yellow light signs, road crossing guards, stop signs, and traffic lights are (sometimes) in existence; giving enough warning about the area so that the responsible driver will slow down.

I personally don't have speed alerts for ALL schools in the Metro Washington D.C./Maryland/Northern Virginia area -- there are a trillion of them. But I do have speed alerts for a bunch of schools in my immediate neighborhood area along the roads I normally travel -- just as reminders. I don't often hear the alerts as I am following the road signage, however, on weekends and after school, when the yellow lights are not flashing and the normal road speed is permitted in those areas -- the alerts do sound -- but I can put up with that for safety's sake.

[You can, if you desire, use both a speed and distance alert so that you can have an initial alert as far away as 200,000 feet (~38 miles). See: BUT I WANT BOTH SPEED AND DISTANCE IN AN ALERT - Can This Be Accomplished Using .CSV Files? Yes! As If By Magic!]


- You May Be Able To Zoom Out More (or Less) Than You Think

There has been a recent increase in discussions of zoom levels for seeing POIs.
spinning globe
Did you know that you can Zoom to a level of 200 miles and more and still see a Custom POI on the screen?

I hear you saying, -- "
Incroyable!, Unglaublich!, Â bikkurishita!"

For you doubters - not only will I prove it by photos, tell you how I did it, but also instruct you how to do it yourself.


Let's agree that three of the POI (Point of Interest) types in which we are interested are:

(1) GARMIN POIs: the 6,000,000 included POIs included with your nüvi unit. [The last time I did my checking count they were only off by 7 POIs.] Since there is a lot of confusion with individuals discussing one type but innocently calling it by a name of another type of POI, let's call these points -- Garmin POIs

(2) FAVORITES (POIs): Depending upon your unit, you can compile a listing of from 500 or 1000 special POIs (3000 for the nuvi 5000 model) and place them in a special area of your unit for easier retrieval. These can be given an icon from a special list of ~90 included screen icons [may vary with different units and with subsequent updates.] Unlike Custom POIs, Favorites can be established on your nüvi without outside electronic help.

(3) CUSTOM POIs: these are locations that you can insert into your nüvi and appear in your 'Extras' area [newer nüvis]. You can design special icons for them and even attach a variety of sound and spoken words as alerts for the locations.

Unfortunately, most users of GPS units (not you, if you are reading this) never have heard of this last one. They are highly useful on a variety of levels -- but
most GPSr users are not aware of their capabilities -- and probably never will be as they have not taken the time to learn all about their units. Also, only a minuscule of people operating navigation systems built-in to automobiles, or used by smart phones, PDAs, tablets, laptops, netbooks, and notebooks are aware of Custom POIs -- with the exception, of course, of the special type known as the knowledgeable wife in the passenger seat. They require more than the 'out of the box -- plug and play' approach which most don't undertake. Also, they can't be created by a stand alone nüvi as can the common Favorites.

Please note that different series of nüvis have different icon viewing capabilities)

GARMIN POIs: Icons of these POIs may or may not be visible on your device at various zoom levels. For example, with the newer 3700 series they ARE NOT visible at all -- a change from older models. [Even at the 50 zoom level -- yes I know that most of your units can't zoom in to 50 feet (usually 120 ft. minimum), but the 3700 series, with it's higher resolution screen, allows you to zoom in that close -- but Garmin POIs still do not appear.]

The automatic appearance of the Garmin POIs, when the unit allows, is often at the
120 and 200 ft. zoom level, but further out they will disappear. [Possibly there are exceptions with some models -- I couldn't test them all and there is no Garmin produced listing, of this matter, available to the public.]

FAVORITES: The icons of Favorites are more robust. They can be seen at further zoomed out distances. For example with the 700 series they will exist on the screen at a zoom level as far out as 50 miles -- but they are in such a jumble at that point that they serve no useful purpose at that level unless they are isolated. With the 600 series they still can be seen at a 120 miles zoom level. With the new series 3700 the maximum limit is only 1.2 miles and they are gone at 2 miles. Due to the screen display techniques of the newer 3700 series, screen icons can disappear, in some cases, when road signage, titles, and other screen messages occupy the same, or touching, screen positions.

CUSTOM POIs: Custom POI icons will either be a default black dot or a .bmp type icon (strongly suggested) that you have associated with and installed for that Custom POI.


A Custom POI,
without an alert attached to it, MAY appear on your Map Screen at zoom level 200 ft. and below [at least for the testing equipment that I used -- your mileage may vary depending upon your unit and if road signage obfuscates the image.] It is the same for either Navigation or GPS Simulator mode.

This means, for example, if you have made an 'along the route' Custom POIs file for Rest Stops and you didn't attach an alert to the file, then
you will not see the icon of the Rest Stop on your screen except if you have zoomed in to 200 ft. or below [not all occasions] -- which would probably be rare. So, if you are not alerted and you pass the Rest Stop without realizing it, and you gotta go, you'll have to go where the bears in the woods go.

But please note,
you CAN attach a sound alert to the file to make the icon visible at greater zoom out settings -- and that sound could even be a silent sound and your 'Charmin' problem will be solved.


A Custom POI,
with an alert attached to it: At almost any common working zoom level, when your vehicle comes under the influence of an alert setting (distance or speed) of a Custom POI, the Custom POI's icon will appear on the Map Screen.

One problem which exists is that if you are zoomed out too far or if you have programmed a very short alert distance, your Custom POI icon
might be covered by your vehicle's icon or some screen signage. I often drive with a zoom level setting of 800 ft. or 1.2 miles, but it would be up to the individual to select at what zoom level is best for him/her. But if an alert sounds you can zoom in if necessary to get a better look. Besides, in some of the newer nüvis, the alert sound is accompanied by a balloon of alert text on the screen.


OK, as promised, now is the time for the proof that
I can see a Custom POI on my 3790 screen at a zoom level of 200 miles above the map.

Can you figure out how to do it? Actually, I have already told you how in the above text -- but it is slightly hidden.

Here is the photo (screen shot) proof.

Notice that the zoom level is 200 miles

Notice that the icon is just sliding under the vehicle


I encourage you to try this. It won't take long if you have had a little experience in working with your own Custom POI files. This is an excellent training task if you haven't. You will see that we will be employing the special attributes of the '
TourGuide' key word trigger for a radial proximity alert, in the file name.


Step A - Preparing your Custom POI file

Open up Notepad (text editor) and copy or write the following one line.

-98.35553, 38.84862, Salina End,

[Notice the comma at the end of the line]

Name the file '
salina.end.test.TourGuide.csv' and save the file AS A '.csv' FILE in a Folder on your hard drive. I named my Folder 'SALINA TEST'. [Note the uppercase T and G in the word TourGuide in the file's name. All other characters are lower case (for this experiment.)]

Step B - Associate an Icon with the File

You can make up an appropriate new .bmp icon or use one from some other Custom POI (
this is just an experiment so do whatever is quicker for you.) I have a generic icon that I use for this purpose. You can see 'My POI' icon in the above screen shots.

Place the .bmp icon in the 'SALINA TEST' Folder along with the .csv file. Make sure you name it - '
salina.end.test.TourGuide.bmp' [Note the uppercase T and G in the word TourGuide. All other characters are lower case.][Also note that the prefix of all the files in this folder will be exactly the same -- but you already knew that as you have had experience with Custom POIs.]

Step C - Let's use a voice sound file

You can make your own, but you might find it quicker to just go to AT&T Labs and have them do it for you -- quick and FREE. Visit:

  • Type in the Step 2 box: 'Salina Test End'
  • Click 'SPEAK' to hear the recording
  • Click 'DOWNLOAD' and follow the 'Right Click' directions to 'Save Link' [Save Target As ...] and save it in the 'SALINA TEST' Folder (with the default big AT&T .wav file name)
  • Now change that file name to 'salina.end.test.TourGuide.wav' [Note the uppercase T and G in the word TourGuide. All other characters are lower case.]

Step D - Creating the .gpi file

Now we are going to use POI Loader to amalgamate the three files into one .gpi file and send it to our nüvi.

I am going to supply basic detail here. I am assuming that you have experience with POI Loader and sending .gpi files to your nüvi. If not, I have written several previous articles which provide detailed discussions of POI Loader, Manual Mode, sox.exe, and sending the resultant .cgi file to your
nüvi's Garmin/POI folder.

  • Connect your nüvi to your computer via the USB port
  • Activate POI Loader (v. 2.6.1 is current as of this writing -- and works) (be sure the correct version of sox.exe (I use v. 14.0.1) is in the same folder as POILoader.exe.
  • Tell POI Loader that the Save Options is the 'Garmin Device'
  • Select 'Install new Custom POI onto your device'
  • Browse to where the 'SALINA TEST' folder is located
  • Make sure the 'Choose a name ...' reads 'SALINA TEST'
  • Choose Feet and MPH (or Meters and KPH)
  • Make sure you choose 'Manual Mode' in the bottom box
  • Click Next
  • Check box 'This file contains proximity alerts'
  • Click button 'Alert whenever you get close to a point' [Distance Alert]
  • Type '200000' in the 'Alert at this distance box' [65000 for meters if that is what you are using.]
  • Message 'You have installed 1 Custom POI...' will appear
  • Click Finish

At this point you have installed your special test Custom POI into your nüvi in the Garmin / POI Folder. It is named 'SALINA TEST.gpi'. On your nüvi's Where To / Extras screen it will be called 'salina.end.test.TourGuide' which matches the prefix of the three files that you used to created the 'SALINA TEST.gpi' file. Inside the folder the actual name of the POI will be reflected as 'Salina End' which comes from the third category of the text in the prepared .csv file.


Now, before you test you will have to
move your vehicle (Set Loc/Set Location) to a special spot a little west of Salina KS. Here's how to do it.

  • Put your nüvi into GPS Simulator Mode [Tools > Settings > System > GPS Simulator > On]
  • Go back to Main Menu and select 'Where To?' > (scroll down) Coordinates > and Enter
  • N 38.87805 and W 097.67328
  • [If you want, you can save this location as a Favorite and name it 'Salina Start', as I have done.
  • Click 'View On Map' (it is a spot on US 70 just west of Salina KS)
  • Press Edit (3 bars in upper left or word 'Edit' if necessary) and then 'Set Location' or 'Set Loc' whatever your particular screen offers) This will place your vehicle at the correct spot [Dorothy, with the red shoes, flew by here once]

You have placed your vehicle at the given coordinates (Salina Start) here
The voice announces 'Salina End Test'
The TourGuide balloon appears telling you that you are in the radial alert distance of Salina End

  • As soon as you do -- you will hear a voice saying 'Salina End Test'. This will indicate that the placement of your vehicle is within the 200,000 foot circular range of the Custom POI [Salina End] that you have established.

This is the ending point from where the
radial alert starts. It is located
approximately 37 miles West of
Salina Start

This is the starting point

  • Now back out to the Main Screen and select 'View Map'
  • To get a clearer view Touch the Map (or Touch and Drag a little) to activate the Browse Map
  • Start pressing the 'minus' button (zooming out) all the time watching the indicated zoom level
  • When you zoom out to about 8 miles (this will vary) the POI icon will come into view

8 mile zoom - see the icon?

  • Continue to zoom out watching the icon advance closer and closer towards the vehicle while the zoom out level is increasing
  • Notice how it remains on the screen

30 mile zoom

80 mile zoom

  • At about 120 miles view, on my unit, it starts to touch the vehicle's icon (this will vary depending upon which unit you are using and which vehicle icon you are using.
  • At the 200 miles view it appears to be sliding under the vehicle (on my 3790 screen) but even beyond that, with a globe view, you can still make out an edge of the POI's icon

You can still see the icon at
zoom 200

and even with a higher zoom level
Can you see it peeking out?

  • There is your proof

  • [ On my 650 unit I can see the icon when 800 miles out. On my 755 unit I can still see the icon three screens higher than 200 miles (height not indicated -- but it is higher than the Space Station); when you see the earth as a full globe. How high are you able to zoom-out your unit and still see the Salina End Custom POI? ]


Just to guide you and explain some of the workings of your nüvi and techniques when installing Custom POIs -- plus to show certain 'ney' sayers that it really can be done. Also, to encourage you to use icons and alert sounds for many of your Custom POIs and increase your interest and understanding of the '
TourGuide' 'keyword.'


I have purposely constructed these two spots to be 42 road miles apart (that's greater than 200,000 ft.) but only ~37 straight miles apart ( that's ~195,360 ft. and is within the
200,000 ft. circular radius of the TourGuide alert limit.) To see the Custom POI icon at an extreme zoom out level, in this case, you have to be within the circle of radius of the TourGuide alert -- and you are; because it is a very large circle.

In this experiment I wanted the alert voice to sound the moment you placed the vehicle at the Salina Start location as defined by the coordinates I presented. But the main purpose was to show you how much you could zoom out when the two points (Salina Start and Salina End) are stretched to the
maximum limit (~38 miles/200,000 ft.).

If the Salina End Custom POI existed
without an alert associated with it, you could only see it at a zoom level of 200 feet or less [Bummer!] and it would have to appear within the viewing area of your screen.

My final suggestions, when working with POIs are to include some sort of .bmp icon, even if it is just a 24x24 pixel red box (in the appropriate .bmp format), for easy viewing; and to include a sound file whether it be voice, music, noise, soft sound, or even a
silent sound. The use of the keyword TourGuide is highly useful when a radial proximity alert is desire. But, of course, that won't be necessary for all your Custom POIs.


To get it: Right click the below link (not the above icon)


Select (in Windows) 'Save Target as...' and save the file in folder where your .csv or .gpx (not discussed in article) is located BE SURE that the file is saved with the proper file type -- '.bmp'. You may have to adjust your 'Save as Type' to 'All Files' to do this. Remember to rename the prefix of the file to EXACTLY match the prefix of the .csv or .gpx file.

Partial list of previous articles of interest which discuss Custom POI zoom level, TourGuide and/or .gpi file use.

THE 'PROXEMICS' OF THE TourGuide - Hakuna Matata! The Circle Of ... Alert

THE POI'S THE THING - Seeing Custom POIs At Various Zooms -- Yes You Can!

ALERT! GEOCACHE POINT NEAR - On And Off-Road Geocache Point Alerts With Map Icons For nüvis


'TourGuide' [TYPE B] STILL WORKS WITH 3700 AND OTHER NEW NÜVIS - Radius Alert Still Functioning



ABBA SINGS "WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT FILE" - A File Rename That Does Wonders


THE AUSTRALIAN BICYCLER'S DILEMMA - The Magic Targeted Alert On/Off Switch

A ROUTE'S LONG DISTANCE SPEED ALERT - You Can Have Your Nüvi Alert You Over A Distance Rather Than A Point


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